[Atmob-discuss] Con call re Observatory Issues?

Thu Mar 20 16:13:38 EDT 2008

 PM evenings are usually fine, except this Monday...
-John

-----Original Message-----
From: atmob-discuss-bounces at atmob.org
[mailto:atmob-discuss-bounces at atmob.org] On Behalf Of Nielsen,
Gunnlaugur Petur,Md
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:56 PM
To: Neil Fleming; Bernie Volz (volz); Buonomo, John; pbealo at comcast.net;
bruce at scopemaker.com; Mario Motta; Brewster LaMacchia; ATMoB
Subject: Re: [Atmob-discuss] Con call re Observatory Issues?

I would prefer pm / night - soon soccer will start and I'll be driving
all over on Saturdays !!

Petur 

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Fleming [mailto:neilfleming at yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:19 PM
To: Bernie Volz (volz); Buonomo, John; Nielsen, Gunnlaugur Petur,Md;
pbealo at comcast.net; bruce at scopemaker.com; Mario Motta; Brewster
LaMacchia; ATMoB
Subject: Con call re Observatory Issues?

Bernie, it would be good to hear your ideas re the "one large vs many
small" observatory issues.

I envision a chat of interested parties...not to seek any sort of
committment, but to sketch out ideas, relative interests, and the issues
involved.

For example, although I have used such facilities in the past, both very
remotely and fairly nearby, there are many things I don't know.  I
figure we can collect issues that can be divided up and spooled off for
individual investigation, then checkpointed back to the interested
group.

I can set this up...but I need to know what time works for most folks.
Saturday am?  Monday pm?

Thoughts?...Neil

--- "Bernie Volz (volz)" <volz at cisco.com> wrote:

> I really think that at least in terms of my property, it is important 
> for people to see it first. And, I'd prefer to discuss these kinds of 
> issues face-to-face at least initially.
> 
> So, please go ahead with a conference call but I do not plan to 
> participate in it at this time. Your reasons for holding this call are

> much different than mine. I, for example, have no interest in 
> investigating an alternative site.
> 
> - Bernie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Buonomo, John
> [mailto:Jbuonomo at uhs.harvard.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 10:41 AM
> To: Bernie Volz (volz); Nielsen, Gunnlaugur Petur,Md; Neil Fleming; 
> pbealo at comcast.net; bruce at scopemaker.com; Mario Motta; Brewster 
> LaMacchia
> Subject: RE: [Atmob-discuss] volz at metrocast.net sent this to you
> usingGoogleMaps: Center Harbor, NH
> 
>  
> Bernie,
> I think that I speak for everyone in saying "Thanks!" for just 
> offering the property,
> 
> If this idea does not become a reality, it still does not hide the 
> fact that you would be even willing to do this. This demonstrates why 
> astronomers are a unique breed of individuals... <g>
> 
> 
> Please take the time in making this choice, for me, May is perfect but

> I still think that a conference call would be good start so that 
> everyone could voice their Ideas and opinions...and determine if this 
> is even feasible .
> I personally will do all that I can, to assist. 
> Cheers! And Well Done!
> John
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bernie Volz (volz) [mailto:volz at cisco.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:54 AM
> To: Buonomo, John; Nielsen, Gunnlaugur Petur,Md;
> Neil Fleming;
> pbealo at comcast.net; bruce at scopemaker.com; Mario
> Motta; Brewster
> LaMacchia
> Subject: RE: [Atmob-discuss] volz at metrocast.net sent
> this to you
> usingGoogleMaps: Center Harbor, NH
> 
> Well, while I haven't consulted a lawyer and this is
> was just the seed
> of an idea, my concept would be to have a lease
> arrangement (and
> probably not for 99 years - I was thinking ~25). The
> concept would also
> involve shared expenses for "common" facilities -
> such as building the
> access road and bringing in electric/internet (from
> the currently
> planned driveway to the site) and maintaining access
> (plowing, roadway
> maintenance, ...). Leases might be transferrable -
> so that those that
> needed to, could find someone to "buy them out".
> Probably best if most
> of the observatories are fairly close together as
> that minimizes costs
> and the amount of land to clear.
> 
> My plan for this land (and why my wife and I
> purchased it two years ago)
> was and is to leave it undeveloped. I do NOT plan to
> sell any of it (it
> technically is 6 lots and has subdivision approval).
> I do own an
> additional 26 acres (2 lots) near by.
> 
> BTW: All I say in here is not a commitment or offer.
> It is just my
> rambling thoughts.
> 
> I think that once spring is finally here, it makes
> sense to get those
> that have an REAL interest to visit the land and
> discuss things a bit. I
> do NOT want this to be a large group.
> 
> I will be away the first two weeks of April, and I
> sometime in May will
> likely work best. Let me know if you have a REAL
> interest and which
> Saturday/Sunday in May works for you (as best you
> can tell now). May 3,
> 4 / 10, 11 / 17, 18 / 31, June 1.
> 
> You are of course free to go your own way - find
> some land, purchase it,
> ...
> 
> - Bernie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Buonomo, John
> [mailto:Jbuonomo at uhs.harvard.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:20 PM
> To: Nielsen, Gunnlaugur Petur,Md; Neil Fleming;
> volz at metrocast.net;
> pbealo at comcast.net; bruce at scopemaker.com; Mario
> Motta; Brewster
> LaMacchia
> Subject: RE: [Atmob-discuss] volz at metrocast.net sent
> this to you
> usingGoogleMaps: Center Harbor, NH
> 
> After hearing the responses from our little thread, 
> I contacted Gene
> with a few questions about his site and the problems
> he faced when
> starting up...
> This is his response....
>  
> 
>
========================================================================
> ===========================
> 
> The biggest original issue with MAC Hunter was
> getting people involved.
> Then after a few years it was growing so fast that
> it was the other way
> around, how can we slow this down. Its a great
> concept, I live here on
> the property and I originally bought this property
> to build an
> observatory.
> 
>  However its quit lonely out there by yourself. So I
> had this brainstorm
> to let people build on my property. Well after a few
> years we got an
> attorney as a member and we decided that we had so
> much money in the
> buildings that I should donate the land to an LLC
> that we all owned so
> that nobody would ever have to worry about if I get
> a divorce or
> whatever. So it evolved over time. It is wonderful
> in so many ways to go
> in your own back yard any weekend or clear night and
> find people back
> there doing astrophotography. 
> 
> I have come out the clear winner because the star
> party is at my house.
> But there are some down sides. Privacy becomes an
> issue. Also I provide
> the electricity and Internet so they do sometime use
> that a bit. There
> are things to consider but I would still do it today
> if I had a choice.
> Its the main thing I live for in life since I was a
> young adult so I am
> ok with it. I would not recommend it though to
> anyone that does not feel
> the same way. So its a great way to go when you
> consider the help you
> get. 
> 
> One of the guys in our group is a construction
> supervisor so he built
> the original super observatory that we used for our
> plans. We all
> pitched in to help each other out with ideas and we
> are all learning
> from each other all the time. 
> 
> I live here on 15 acres and I use about 1 acre for
> myself. the BOG uses
> one acre. So I still have some room to grow but at
> this point my sanity
> is my major concern, I have had many offers from
> people to build houses
> here. I think we have come far enough and I think
> that the 1 acre BOG
> owns now is enough.
> 
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